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Rick Maday
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2009, 06:03:23 PM » |
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I should probably just say "inspected".
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John Adrian Sopher
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2009, 06:06:38 PM » |
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Good luck on that! lol
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Jay Markanich
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2009, 06:59:44 PM » |
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Wait, a ceiling is just a floor from another perspective...
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John Adrian Sopher
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2009, 07:08:16 PM » |
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LOL so so true!!!
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Dominic Maricic
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2009, 09:47:03 PM » |
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Funny Jay  How about No visible defects? |
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Rick Maday
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2009, 09:50:00 PM » |
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Funny Jay How about No visible defects? I like that less than good, fair, poor. Clients will read that and add one more word, in their mind. ever.  |
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2009, 09:59:54 PM » |
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The ceiling/floor appeared to be as expected at the time of inspection. Notwithstanding the inoperability of the ceiling (it is simply there and does not "work" like a light switch) and the inspectors inability to determine what, if anything is behind the ceiling finish material (which is drywall), the inspector has determined the ceiling was doing what it should be, when it was inspected. That does not mean that there are no issues, defects or problems with the ceiling, only that none were visible at the date and time of the inspection. Inspector makes no warranties or gaurantees about the continued appearance of the ceiling at any point or for any reason in the future. Ceilings may fail, stain or develop other issues with or without warning at any time. Because the ceilining is not operational, any current or future defect (observed or unobserved) is most likely (although not always) the result of some other component or system failure.
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2009, 10:11:57 PM » |
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LOL. There's a way to create a 100+ page report. Plus, how do you know the ceiling is drywall? Did you scrape the popcorn off? And how do you know it's doing what is supposed to? And you said it was operational but wasn't operational!
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2009, 10:37:50 PM » |
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Interesting topic. How do you describe a ceiling? It really does not function (no on/off), so functions is not a posibility. I use "appears serviceable". I cannot say "serviceable" because I have no way of testing its serivceability. At the date and time of the inspection the ceiling appears serviceable. When the client adds bunk water beds on the floor above, it would probably not remain serviceable for long.  How about "The ceilings were in good condition at the time of inspection". If it subsequently collapses because the water beds above springs a leak between inspection and closing and the ceiling then becomes the floor, then It really isn't my problem. This is exactly why I believe the right choice of words is paramount to an inspection and in protecting you as an HI. |
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John Adrian Sopher
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2009, 11:51:58 PM » |
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Why don't we all just get law degrees so we can do our jobs right? LOL
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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2009, 08:31:56 AM » |
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LOL. There's a way to create a 100+ page report. Plus, how do you know the ceiling is drywall? Did you scrape the popcorn off? And how do you know it's doing what is supposed to? And you said it was operational but wasn't operational!
Not many popcorn ceilings here. Read again you must, young Jedi. Operational, it is not. Inoperable, it is. I hope my sarcasm/humor came through in the ceiling description. |
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Dominic Maricic
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« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2009, 12:17:58 PM » |
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Ahh, I over read that part. That you Master Yoda Yes, the humor came through! No popcorn eh? Can't find a house without them here! I scraped my closet ceilings a few months ago. |
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2009, 03:29:13 PM » |
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Ahh, I over read that part. That you Master Yoda Yes, the humor came through! No popcorn eh? Can't find a house without them here! I scraped my closet ceilings a few months ago. That's Rancho Cucamonga for you! |
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2009, 08:33:57 PM » |
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Anytime I look at a home, and there is a crack in the foundation, or brick veneer, or anything. No matter how small, I have a ready made comment for it. Even if i put in the report that the cracks appear to be minor or not a major concern, my comment says that with any foundation or structure issues, I would always recommend having a structural engineer come evaluate and give a second opinion if you choose to. That way it doesn't sound so scary, I made the suggestion, but its there ball now. Hopefully if anything ever does happen, I can say I told you to have a second opinion.
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2009, 09:44:25 PM » |
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It is apparent that the use of the word "appears" apparently makes some HI's nervous. Therefore, Some appearances can be deceiving as you stated, and the apparent legal liability can only be deduced by a lawyer. If I appear to be flip about the subject, then apparently, you appear to be correct.
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2009, 02:36:54 PM » |
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I try to stay away from subjective terms like good, fair, poor. My "good" may be someone elses "Poor".
Appears functional probably sounds better.
Precisely why I don't like ratings systems |
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Jay Markanich
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2009, 02:54:43 PM » |
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Everyone, you can see from his picture that Bill is the coolest guy in the room...
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